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 Post subject: New format of UVB-76 Transmission?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:55 pm 
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Just a theory ..

Looking at the WinradHD screen, there is clearly something what has not been there before: a nice clear signal at the 4.622.5kHz. It appears and fades periodically together with the UVB-76 carrier, i.e. it seems to be transmitted from the same geographical area.

This will give nice 2.5kHz constant sinewave if received in AM or LSB mode, which has annoyed the AM stream listeners for last couple of days. However, the voice messages were clearly transmitted in USB. So -- may be the buzzing has been replaced with a constant sinewave which is way easier to monitor with technical measures than buzzing.
This way, one could receive the LSB as control feed, measure the amplitude of the 2.5kHz tone and assume how well the transmitter is doing. USB can then be used for voice messages as needed... If I would be them, I would either use another tone on LSB for indicating when voice transmission is in progress ..

IN FACT!! As I type (2.50pm UTC), the signal at 4.622.5 started to modulate itself between two frequencys, 2.5kHz and slightly lower pitch, sounding like a teletype.

I hope I am not correct on this, as this would mean that we will not hear any buzzing on that frequency any more ...

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 Post subject: Re: New format of UVB-76 Transmission?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:33 pm 

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well spotted and a very plausible theory. i think you may be onto something :)


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 Post subject: Re: New format of UVB-76 Transmission?
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Thank you for posting this. I noticed the new signal this morning and everyone in chat was too busy "r we gunna die guise?!" to know what was going on with it.


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 Post subject: Re: New format of UVB-76 Transmission?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:25 pm 
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Very interesting. For sure, that second frequency is being transmitted from UVB-76. But, I guess this means we lose our buzz :(

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 Post subject: Re: New format of UVB-76 Transmission?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:37 pm 

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I wonder if they decided to stop the buzzer and use the carrier for something else. I hope the buzzer isn't gone for good. :(

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 Post subject: Re: New format of UVB-76 Transmission?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:47 pm 
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Im sure the buzzer was using up too much power, so they just took it off from being too unnecessary.

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 Post subject: Re: New format of UVB-76 Transmission?
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awww but the buzzer was so cool and freaky sounding :) sounds like a belivable idea, but what would prompt the change? new tech? if the buzzer has been for so many years, seems strange to change it. unless the operators had just got so annoyed at the constant noise of it :)


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 Post subject: Re: New format of UVB-76 Transmission?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:58 pm 
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Arrgh .. that thing what transmits noise on USB at the moment looks too much like a white noise channel reservation beacon .. what sort of fits the theory. They just have put a frequency allocating noise on upper sideband so noone would start using it for anything meaningful.
What we see at the moment is definitely not a random interference - the noise blanks exactly 3.5kHz wide area from UVB-76 carrier up to 4.628.5 MHz. Other thing is, that you see a noise consisting of several narrower noise "bands" scanning in frequency. But the never scan above UVB-76+3.5kHz

Soes not look good from buzzing perspective ...

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 Post subject: Re: New format of UVB-76 Transmission?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:20 pm 

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So they are blocking the USB with white noise and just transmitting a sinewave on AM? Perhaps that is what the maintenance was for.


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 Post subject: Re: New format of UVB-76 Transmission?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:37 pm 

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uvb76repeater wrote:Arrgh .. that thing what transmits noise on USB at the moment looks too much like a white noise channel reservation beacon .. what sort of fits the theory. They just have put a frequency allocating noise on upper sideband so noone would start using it for anything meaningful.
What we see at the moment is definitely not a random interference - the noise blanks exactly 3.5kHz wide area from UVB-76 carrier up to 4.628.5 MHz. Other thing is, that you see a noise consisting of several narrower noise "bands" scanning in frequency. But the never scan above UVB-76+3.5kHz

Soes not look good from buzzing perspective ...

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I hope that you are right. But is it realy just white noise, or could it be also digital data. It sounds like DRM I think... What do you mean? Is it also possible?


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